Am I Still Bitter?

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Anonymous said:

Hey, are you still bitter about the treatment Thingol gets in the fandom? Because I am, even if it's 2023. The fact that people have such visceral reactions and threw a huge hissy fit in response to Thingol banning Quenya as if his banning is equivalent to a mass slaughter when said mass slaughterers are claiming lands in Beleriand and mocks Thingol's kingship is funny to me. And the fact that people mock and shit on Thingol for being pissed at the kinslaying at Aqualonde because he wasn't even there, like hello? That's his brother's people tf? Who wouldn't be pissed when you find out your brother's family legit got slaughtered? He has flaws but like so do many characters in silm, yet he gets so much hate and is never written with justice because he's against the noldor/feanorians.

I said:

Am I still bitter about [X]? yes. The answer is always yes.

People’s attitudes towards Thingol in this fandom are a perfect illustration of character-centric morality: the things the Feanorians do are excusable because they’re liked, and anything Thingol does is worthy of scorn because he is not liked. That’s how you get people acting like the Quenya ban is on par with literal mass murder (and no, I don’t think his asking for a massive number of foreign troops coming into the area to show him respect as the local ruler, as a display of good faith if nothing else, was unreasonable).

Look, I get why Thingol is not a big fan favorite. He suffers from “show not tell” where although Tolkien tells us he was a wise and beloved king, most of what we’re shown in detail are things he fucked up. He also plays the King Triton role with Beren and Luthien, and no one likes a guy who stands in the way of ~true love~. Additionally, some of his most likeable moments come in Children of Hurin, which is, of course, not a part of the core Silmarillion. We get a lot less detail in Silm about Turin’s time in Doriath, which is when we see a lot more of Thingol in CoH and where we see his attitude on mortals make a complete 180 (he is in fact the only Elf lord to ever foster a Man). But even within Silm, it’s rarely acknowledged that in the end, he does support Beren and Luthien’s marriage.

“And it seemed to Thingol that this Man was unlike all other mortal Men, and among the great in Arda, and the love of Luthien a thing new and strange; and he perceived that their doom might not be withstood by any power of the world. Therefore at last he yielded his will, and Beren took the hand of Luthien before the throne of her father.”

He seats Beren at his left hand–it’s hard to overstate the significance of that.

“Then Thingol’s mood was softened; and Beren sat before his throne upon the left, and Luthien upon the right, and they told the tale of the Quest…”

I think it is relevant to remember that in accepting Luthien’s marriage to Beren, Thingol is necessarily accepting her death–the death of his only child, whom he holds dearer than all the land and wealth of Doriath. That doesn’t make his actions in B&L right, but I think it makes them understandable.

Later, when the forces of Doriath go to hunt Carcaroth, Beren and Thingol hunt together.

“…Huan leaped from the thicket upon the back of the Wolf, and they fell together fighting bitterly; and no battle of wolf and hound has been like to it, for in the baying of Huan was heard the voice of the horns of Orome and the wrath of the Valar, but in the howls of Carcaroth was the hate of Morgoth and malice crueller than teeth of steel…There they fought to the death; but Thingol gave no heed, for he knelt beside Beren, seeing that he was sorely hurt.” (Emphasis added)

But also, simply because he repeatedly comes into conflict with the sons of Feanor, he was doomed to be recast as a villain by the fandom because the sons are so popular that anyone who dislikes them is going to get shafted by the fandom. Hating on Thingol is so accepted in this fandom people don’t even seem to regard it as character bashing to come onto posts or fics about Thingol and share how much they don’t like him/think he’s an asshole/whatever.

I really don’t think there is an overreaction to hearing about unprovoked mass murder. I really think most of us would react very badly to finding out that someone we’d had dealings with had slaughtered a bunch of people, whether or not we were related to the victims. It’s been said before but I’ll drag it out again: Thingol had to do something. As king, he did not have the option of not reacting to that–that it happened, or that the Noldor tried to conceal it. The Quenya ban was arguably a mid-level response (Furthermore, it was a pretty deft display of Thingol’s soft power–Maedhros scoffs at his claim to be king of Beleriand, yet look how instantly and totally the Sindar adhere to this directive. With this one move, Thingol displays for the Noldor how far his power reaches. If they were thinking about armed conflict with Thingol and Doriath, they now know how many of the Elves of Beleriand they would have to deal with.) It’s not like Fingolfin was going to turn his people over for a trial, and accept whatever punishment Doriath’s court ruled on, not least because Fingon himself was a significant part of the Kinslaying at Alqualonde. The Noldor, hand their crown prince over to a foreign justice system? Not gonna happen.

I will link to my tag for Thingol metas, if you want to see more of what other people have stated more eloquently about his character and his actions!

Long story short: I like Thingol, flaws included, and it’s kind of laughable that of all the characters in the book, THIS is the one people find irredeemable.