rocky41_7: (Tolkien)

Relationships I want to know more about:

1. Turgon and Maeglin. What’s up with these two? Turgon took him in and accounted him among his house, and I can easily imagine putting a lot of effort into out of love and grief for Aredhel, even when it became apparent his own daughter did not get along with Maeglin. He even trusted Maeglin’s advice when shit started to go sideways for Gondolin--and Turgon’s not an idiot, so either Maeglin worked very hard to deceive Turgon as to his true intentions, or the job was easier because Turgon already trusted him. Did Maeglin feel guilty for what he did? Did he regret? Did Turgon feel he had failed his nephew if Maeglin had been turned to the service of Morgoth?

2. Finwe and the other grandkids. I’ve seen a fair bit of speculation of Finwe’s relationship with Maedhros and I tend to agree Maedhros takes a lot after him, but what about the others? Finwe’s whole thing with marrying Indis was out of a desire for more kids, so I have to assume he was a very involved grandfather. What did he talk about with Maglor? With Finrod? With Aredhel? I can totally see him as the type of grandparent to want to have a special little activity for each of his grandkids that was “their” thing, but then he ended up with 16 and started running out of time in the day lol

3. Fingolfin and Lalwen! We know almost nothing about Finwe’s daughters (they don’t even appear in The Silmarillion proper), but Tolkien elsewhere says that Lalwen went to Middle-earth because Fingolfin, her favorite brother, went. That’s a lot of love. Fingolfin and Feanor have the most prominent and explored relationship among Finwe’s kids, and not without cause, and we know that the Nolofinwean and Arafinwean families were very close, but please I really want to know more about Fingolfin and his little sister.

4. Fingon and Finrod. The text doesn’t give us much explicitly on their relationship, but we know the Nolofinweans and the Arafinweans are very close, and I firmly believe that even if these two were not particularly close back in Tirion (Fingon being closer with Maedhros, Aegnor, and Angrod, and Finrod being closer with Turgon), that changed on the Helcaraxe. I think the Helcaraxe changed the relationships for all of them, and made them far closer than they ever might have been otherwise, but for Finrod and Fingon, who both essentially operated as Fingolfin’s second-in-command, I think there would have been a particular sense of sharing responsibility. How did that impact their relationship and their interactions later on in Middle-earth? And what did they talk about on the Helcaraxe?

5. Tar-Miriel and Sauron. We can assume, I think, that Tar-Miriel does not get along with her husband Ar-Pharazon, but what was her take on Sauron? Did she also buy his claims of repentance and servitude? Did she think serving her husband a fitting fate for someone who had caused so much trouble in Middle-earth? Or was she skeptical of his intentions? We know she tried to flee the sinking of Numenor, and that her father had been devout, but we know very little about Tar-Miriel’s own beliefs. Did she follow her father’s path and resent Ar-Pharazon for his blasphemous acts? Or was she indifferent, merely seeing that as another part and parcel of Numenor’s cultural and intellectual decline? Did she foresee anything from Sauron’s arrival at court? Or was it just one more thing Ar-Pharazon did that she didn’t approve of? Did her opinion of him change over time--was there a moment she began to see him as a threat? Or did she overlook him until it was too late?

rocky41_7: (Tolkien)

Cross-posted from tumblr.

I am so ~fascinated~ with Finwean family dynamics so below is just some of my own thoughts on inter-family politics and particularly on how Feanor’s behavior affected the rest of the family’s relationships with each other, especially for Nerdanel.

These thoughts mostly developed in the context of a pair of fics I wrote (one of which is posted) about the post-Oath fallout experienced by the Noldor who remain in Aman, so they are the focus, and these thoughts are all in terms of what I tried to show in those fics.

Although Nerdanel mostly enjoyed Feanor’s family, her relationships with them were difficult, partly because Nerdanel is a brusque and often insensitive person, but mainly because Feanor’s relationships with them were difficult, and she necessarily took his side on a lot of things, and was seen, of course, as being affiliated with him.

Tolkien notes that Anaire (Fingolfin’s wife) and Earwen (Finarfin’s wife) were close friends, and in fact this friendship was part of why Anaire chose to stay behind. Notably, Nerdanel is not a part of this. I think she struggled with these relationships in particular, because of how Feanor treated his half-brothers.

Anaire had one of the better relationships with Nerdanel, because Anaire is a very practical, logical person and recognized that Nerdanel was not Feanor, and that she was, on some level obliged to take his side in family fights because that’s what you do for your partner. However, I don’t know that she necessarily feels Nerdanel is a friend, and Anaire was extremely critical of the way Feanor treated Fingolfin, and of Fingolfin’s ongoing loyalty and affection for Feanor, which pressured whatever positive relationship she had with Nerdanel.

Earwen doesn’t get on much with Nerdanel in part just due to their personalities. Nerdanel, as noted earlier, is blunt and generally practical, while Earwen is a lot more of a dreamy, whimsical, philosophical type. She also talks a lot. So even though Finarfin doesn’t get it as bad from Feanor as Fingolfin (because Finarfin is less a threat in Feanor’s view), Earwen actually has less of a relationship with Nerdanel than Anaire, and when the Kinslaying at Alqualonde happens, she is entirely unable to divorce Nerdanel from the actions of her family, and their relationship craters and never recovers. In a way, Nerdanel ends up taking the blame Earwen might have cast on Finarfin.

Swapping tracks, Indis reeeeally wanted this whole family thing to work. She knew how unusual it was for Finwe to marry her after Miriel’s death and she really wanted it to work with Feanor. She may have tried too hard in the beginning to step into a maternal role with him, which put Feanor off even more. She wanted to consider him one of her own kids, but that was very definitely not what Feanor wanted, and after centuries of trying to get along with him, she sort of had to accept that civility was the best thing she could get from him. She also grew increasingly upset with the way he treated his half-siblings, especially his brothers, and even more so when she saw him imparting his grudges on his sons, so that his children could carry them on. The Oath was the breaking point of her giving up and deciding he’s actually just a selfish, arrogant bastard who is concerned only with how things affect him.

Now, Indis and Nerdanel are another case of personalities don’t mesh (and this was very intentional in my portrayal of Indis’ personality, and was the case for Indis and Feanor as well). But that aside, Indis nonetheless tried to include Nerdanel in the family, in part thinking she could soften Feanor by treating his wife well. However, as with Anaire and Earwen, Nerdanel’s siding with Feanor strained their ties, and Nerdanel was not excellent at hiding her own general impatience with Indis, and after they learned of the Kinslaying, things were messy enough that Nerdanel and Indis both silently decided there was just nothing left there to save.

Findis takes the most after her mother, but unlike Indis, she is not afraid to speak up when she doesn’t like somebody, and she’s thought Feanor was a vain, arrogant blow-hard since she was a teenager. She was bitter about the way he treated Indis, as well as his behavior towards her and her siblings, and she never understood what Nerdanel saw in him. She and Nerdanel also butted heads very openly on quite a lot of things, to the point that they would often take a contrary opinion to each other purely for antagonism’s sake. Findis was therefore very ready to kick Neradnel to the curb after the Kinslaying.

Lalwende is probably the one who got along best with Nerdanel, and not unrelatedly, went with Feanor and stuck it out to Middle-earth. She was an adventurous type, which complemented Nerdanel’s personality, and escaped much of Feanor’s worse tendencies by virtue of how little a threat she presented to him for Finwe’s favor and throne, so she had fewer reasons to dislike Nerdanel by association. She was, I imagine, the one with the closest relationship with Nerdanel.


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